Timeline for Are songs and poems on-topic?
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| Sep 4, 2017 at 16:08 | comment | added | Cahir Mawr Dyffryn æp Ceallach | @Hamlet Feel free to bring your concerns to that site's chatroom or meta, which would be a more appropriate place for discussing this. I'm sorry to have started this discussion here in this unrelated comment thread. I just saw some reasonable concerns and asked the users to take them to that community. | |
| Sep 4, 2017 at 16:05 | comment | added | user111 | @CahirMawrDyffrynæpCeallach I took at look at Movies and TV. You have some good questions, but they're hard to find. Looking at your answers, however, I'm seeing answers based on TVTropes and Wikipedia. I'm not seeing any actual original analysis or reputable sources. Maybe I haven't looked hard enough. But if I had questions to ask, I wouldn't want to ask them there. I imagine that many other people feel the same way. So maybe that's why there is an appetite among some people for asking questions about films on Literature. | |
| Sep 3, 2017 at 23:54 | comment | added | Cahir Mawr Dyffryn æp Ceallach | @Torisuda Okay. But I don't think creating another site for it is a good solution either. It's also not really an experience I made myself. But we're diverging, I guess. I'll try to keep your worries in mind. | |
| Sep 3, 2017 at 23:37 | comment | added | Torisuda | @CahirMawrDyffrynæpCeallach I don't think I have anything useful to say, unfortunately. It seems like it's just not something that interests most of the people who ask questions over there anymore. We had a similar progression at Anime and Manga; there used to be a lot of good analysis questions with good answers, but people just don't ask them anymore. (On A&M they often don't get answers even when people do ask them.) | |
| Sep 3, 2017 at 22:16 | comment | added | Cahir Mawr Dyffryn æp Ceallach | @Torisuda I would encourage you to share why you think M&TV doesn't cover literary analysis of films well and how they could possibly improve on that. Feel free to drop by their chatroom or even meta to share your opinion on the matter. (You don't have to of course, but that site is at least supposed to cover that and IMHO did so in the past, and it's one of its primary fields to cover, so I'd like to know why you feel it's lacking in this regard and how they can do a better job at it.) | |
| Sep 3, 2017 at 16:48 | comment | added | user111 | @Torisuda fair enough. I appologise. | |
| Sep 3, 2017 at 16:47 | comment | added | Torisuda | I did and always have favored a wider scope. I even would have liked to consider allowing literary analysis on films since I don't feel M&TV covers this well. But previously the community seemed to react poorly to this, so I didn't bother arguing for it. | |
| Sep 3, 2017 at 16:46 | comment | added | Torisuda | @Hamlet I see you ignored "No need for condescension" in favor of lecturing me about compromises. I did get what I wanted from this. I was afraid that some zealot would argue that songs should be off-topic and that since poems are so closely related to songs, they should also be off-topic. I wanted poems on topic, so I moved to quash that line of reasoning immediately. I cared less about songs, so I partially threw them under the bus to secure poems. | |
| Sep 3, 2017 at 14:16 | comment | added | user111 | @Torisuda the thing about compromises is that instead of one or both sides getting what they want, nobody gets what they want. Compromises work because both sides decide that they would rather nobody gets what they want rather than some or all people getting what they want. The art of a good negotiation is finding a solution that satisfies everyone, not a solution that satisfies some or nobody. (But judging by the upvotes, this answer has satisfied quite a few people. Which makes me suspect it isn't a compromise.) | |
| Sep 2, 2017 at 17:08 | comment | added | Torisuda | @Hamlet No need for condescension. I'm aware that the history of poetry and music is tightly intertwined. I'm not wedded to this policy; it was a compromise suggestion because at the time I wasn't sure how open people would be to the idea of taking questions not about the written word. If you want to allow questions about the musical parts of songs, then feel free to propose such. You will find that I offer little resistance. | |
| Sep 2, 2017 at 15:57 | comment | added | user111 | "Poems should be on-topic without further qualification. For hundreds of years, poetry was nearly the only type of literature produced, and some of the greatest works of literature are poems." Very curious: how does music fit into this history? Before deciding that an entire class of questions should be off-topic, it would be helpful to do some research to make sure you're making the right decision. | |
| Apr 13, 2017 at 12:48 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
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| Jan 22, 2017 at 16:52 | comment | added | Torisuda | @Emrakul I'm not sure I understand what you mean. I was thinking of allowing questions like HDE 226868's example question. If someone asks questions like "Why is there a guitar solo in 'Stairway to Quincy' at 10:32?" or "Why did Baron Smellington play an F chord right when Smussh said 'YOWL' in their smash hit 'Bankruptcy'?", then those should be off-topic because they're asking purely about the music, or about how the lyrics and music interact. | |
| Jan 22, 2017 at 11:09 | comment | added | user80 | The issue here is that, in most cases, it's impossible to separate the meaning of the lyrics from the meaning of the song. | |
| Jan 22, 2017 at 1:25 | comment | added | Torisuda | @amaranth I'm not super jazzed about accepting questions on the lyrics of Megan Trainor and Kanye West either; I'm here to talk about more traditional literature and the occasional graphic novel, and if I had my way, I'd like to kick all the song questions over to Music Fans. But the line between what I'd like to allow and what I'd like to forbid is probably too vague and subjective to use as the basis for a real policy, so I came up with this as a hard, clear line that everyone can understand. | |
| Jan 22, 2017 at 1:16 | comment | added | amaranth | Although I'm reluctant to allow song lyrics questions, his may be the best way to draw the line between songs and poems that happen to be set to music. | |
| Jan 21, 2017 at 17:19 | history | answered | Torisuda | CC BY-SA 3.0 |